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Everyone listening no one transmitting

Post by VK3ZAZ » Tue Apr 09, 2019 7:46 am

I have done this couple times now
once around 0800 yesterday and again 0745 today.
running wspr on a quiet as quiet 40M band.
Put out one transmission and staggered by the receivers out there.
tune the band and apart from couple locals and bit of cw and huge pile on FT8 SILENCE
so where is the hobby going?
Speed daters beware least you get An Introverted Dx Syndrome

2019-04-08 21:36 VK3OT 7.040086 +9 0 QF12ag +40 10.000 VK2RG QF56mc 916 569
2019-04-08 21:36 VK3OT 7.040091 -28 0 QF12ag +40 10.000 G3YTN IO93hw 16711 10384
2019-04-08 21:36 VK3OT 7.040086 -24 0 QF12ag +40 10.000 K2CWT FN30jr 16981 10552
2019-04-08 21:36 VK3OT 7.040087 -23 0 QF12ag +40 10.000 KB3EDF FM18rh 16660 10352
2019-04-08 21:36 VK3OT 7.040090 -10 0 QF12ag +40 10.000 DH0GFW JN48vc 16029 9960
2019-04-08 21:36 VK3OT 7.040090 -8 0 QF12ag +40 10.000 DK6UG JN49cm 16144 10031
2019-04-08 21:36 VK3OT 7.040090 -26 0 QF12ag +40 10.000 ON3URE JO11jd 16510 10259
2019-04-08 21:36 VK3OT 7.040090 -17 0 QF12ag +40 10.000 DL2SBA JN48op 16073 9987
2019-04-08 21:36 VK3OT 7.040090 -19 0 QF12ag +40 10.000 OE9GHV JN47wk 16021 9955
2019-04-08 21:36 VK3OT 7.040090 -10 0 QF12ag +40 10.000 DH0GFW JN48vc 16029 9960
2019-04-08 21:36 VK3OT 7.040091 -13 0 QF12ag +40 10.000 DK8FT JN58oe 15925 9895
2019-04-08 21:36 VK3OT 7.040137 -23 0 QF12ag +40 10.000 DK1CG JN58uc 15887 9872
2019-04-08 21:36 VK3OT 7.040087 -16 0 QF12ag +40 10.000 DF4PV/BEV JN49aw 16154 10038
2019-04-08 21:36 VK3OT 7.040090 -22 0 QF12ag +40 10.000 DF3ND JN59nf 15934 9901
2019-04-08 21:36 VK3OT 7.040094 -17 0 QF12ag +40 10.000 PI4THT JO32kf 16214 10075
2019-04-08 21:36 VK3OT 7.040091 -15 0 QF12ag +40 10.000 DK6UG JN49cm 16144 10031
2019-04-08 21:36 VK3OT 7.040117 -26 0 QF12ag +40 10.000 OE2WNL JN67kk 15796 9815
2019-04-08 21:36 VK3OT 7.040090 -27 0 QF12ag +40 10.000 LX1DQ JN39cq 16287 10120
2019-04-08 21:36 VK3OT 7.040129 -21 0 QF12ag +40 10.000 DB9OH JO52ji 15948 9910
2019-04-08 21:36 VK3OT 7.040089 -10 1 QF12ag +40 10.000 DJ0ABR JN68nt 15786 9809
2019-04-08 21:36 VK3OT 7.040095 -18 0 QF12ag +40 10.000 G4MSA IO90au 16842 10465
2019-04-08 21:36 VK3OT 7.040091 +16 0 QF12ag +40 10.000 VK2COW QF44ox 709 441
2019-04-08 21:36 VK3OT 7.040090 -20 0 QF12ag +40 10.000 G8AOE IO94im 16686 10368
2019-04-08 21:36 VK3OT 7.040093 -19 0 QF12ag +40 10.000 ON7KO JO21ce 16411 10197
2019-04-08 21:36 VK3OT 7.040104 -10 0 QF12ag +40 10.000 EA1IOW IN83gj 17056 10598
2019-04-08 21:36 VK3OT 7.040095 +2 0 QF12ag +40 10.000 VK1MIC QF44nt 693 431
2019-04-08 21:36 VK3OT 7.040090 -23 0 QF12ag +40 10.000 G4NAQ IO81 16898 10500
2019-04-08 21:36 VK3OT 7.040098 -16 0 QF12ag +40 10.000 DL3NBY JO50ja 15958 9916
2019-04-08 21:36 VK3OT 7.040089 -21 0 QF12ag +40 10.000 IZ6BYY JN62wv 15652 9726
2019-04-08 21:36 VK3OT 7.040090 -10 0 QF12ag +40 10.000 DH0GFW JN48vc 16029 9960
2019-04-08 21:36 VK3OT 7.040090 -23 0 QF12ag +40 10.000 DK4RW JO40oe 16070 9985
2019-04-08 21:36 VK3OT 7.040195 -30 0 QF12ag +40 10.000 VK1MIC QF44nt 693 431
2019-04-08 21:36 VK3OT 7.040111 -9 0 QF12ag +40 10.000 EA7VPG IM76xt 17029 10581
2019-04-08 21:36 VK3OT 7.040100 -16 0 QF12ag +40 10.000 DL1GCD/1 JN48ar 16159 10041
2019-04-08 21:36 VK3OT 7.040115 -16 0 QF12ag +40 10.000 DL1GCD/2 JN48ar 16159 10041
2019-04-08 21:36 VK3OT 7.040087 -18 0 QF12ag +40 10.000 F4ASK IN96ij 16871 10483
2019-04-08 21:36 VK3OT 7.040095 -22 0 QF12ag +40 10.000 N2HQI FN13sa 16731 10396
2019-04-08 21:36 VK3OT 7.040089 -29 0 QF12ag +40 10.000 K9AN EN50wc 15725 9771
2019-04-08 21:36 VK3OT 7.040092 -23 0 QF12ag +40 10.000 DB2OM JO52ba 15996 9939
2019-04-08 21:36 VK3OT 7.040073 -16 0 QF12ag +40 10.000 VK6TGQ/2 OF76to 2429 1509
2019-04-08 21:36 VK3OT 7.040078 -24 0 QF12ag +40 10.000 NL13919 JO21rl 16321 10141
2019-04-08 21:36 VK3OT 7.040089 -23 0 QF12ag +40 10.000 DG7FAC JO40oe 16070 9985
2019-04-08 21:36 VK3OT 7.040095 -12 0 QF12ag +40 10.000 N2HQI FN13sa 16731 10396
2019-04-08 21:36 VK3OT 7.040089 -11 0 QF12ag +40 10.000 EB3FRN JN01mc 16672 10360
2019-04-08 21:36 VK3OT 7.040098 -8 1 QF12ag +40 10.000 F5OIH JN06ci 16756 10412
2019-04-08 21:36 VK3OT 7.040132 -16 0 QF12ag +40 10.000 DL/PA0EHG JO32sq 16163 10043
2019-04-08 21:36 VK3OT 7.040091 -13 0 QF12ag +40 10.000 DK8FT/D JN58oe 15925 9895
2019-04-08 21:36 VK3OT 7.040095 -9 0 QF12ag +40 10.000 N2HQI FN13sa 16731 10396
2019-04-08 21:36 VK3OT 7.040090 -20 0 QF12ag +40 10.000 OZ7IT JO65df 15822 9831
2019-04-08 21:36 VK3OT 7.040091 -26 0 QF12ag +40 10.000 G8NXD IO70je 17083 10615
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Re: Everyone listening no one transmitting

Post by VK3QI » Tue Apr 09, 2019 9:55 am

Steve,

You are dead right. Part of the Instant Gratification generation - made worse by even letting your computer do the "talking" for you.

Reputedly Ned Kelly said it all - "such is life".

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Re: Everyone listening no one transmitting

Post by VK4GHZ » Tue Apr 09, 2019 12:11 pm

Society has dumbed down.
We now have three generations of smart phone zombies.

Lazy asses who will waste several hours per day scrolling through endless dribble on social media, rather than actually achieving anything meaningful.

Facebook has been a major contributor to that.

How often do you see people 'Looking for recommendations' on Facebook (because it's quick and easy - the INSTANT gratification - and they want everything with minimal effort).
Once upon a time, people used to do their own research, and become educated.
Now, they just take the word of one or two randoms 'recommendations' (and by those who have a financial interest).

And then you get lazy assess who will ask a question on a particular interest/community group that get asked every damn day.
They are too lazy to even use the limited search capabilities.
And that assumes the original poster was actually smart enough to tap out a few key words (something to search on), that weren't mis-spelt in the first place.
A tall order!

And bear in mind Faceplant is nothing more than an advertising platform.

Get people addicted to liking random crap, (as if anyone else really gives a sh1t about what YOU like), and then monetise this stupid newfound habit.

:lol:

Faceplant etc can be useful as a promotional tool, but once you become aware that YOU might have addiction problems, then it's time to do something about it, and convert wasted time to achieving meaningful things.

Just let the computers talk to each other, because the Ops are far too busy watching cat & dog videos, and other assorted dribble? :om:

And what's the point of coming back to see what paths WERE there whilst you were out of the shack doing other things???
Absolutely none.
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Re: Everyone listening no one transmitting

Post by VK2AZ » Tue Apr 09, 2019 4:54 pm

Steve,
That is an amazing list of stations for one transmission, but I tend to think that our hobby is progressing.

Take a look at the signal strengths those stations are reporting.

Most of them can only hear you because it is a digital mode.
You would struggle to have even a CW contact with most of them at those signal levels.

Isn't that why the FT8 frequency is packed and the rest of the band is relatively quiet?

I think it's a good sign that there is so much activity at this stage of the solar cycle.
If there were no digital signals, there would be very little activity at all, which is definitely not good for our hobby.

My glass is 3/4 full....

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Re: Everyone listening no one transmitting

Post by VK6OX » Wed Apr 10, 2019 7:47 pm

VK4GHZ wrote:Society has dumbed down.
<snip>
Re the dumbing down of society, I couldn't agree more.
I believe you've accurately expressed the feelings of many, Adam!
I'll not plagiarise you but I'd like to take the core of your post, prior to the emoji, and couch it in my own words and then spread it to other (non AR) arenas.
If you'd rather I didn't, then let me know.
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Re: Everyone listening no one transmitting

Post by VK4GHZ » Wed Apr 10, 2019 8:25 pm

VK6OX wrote:I'll not plagiarise you but I'd like to take the core of your post, prior to the emoji, and couch it in my own words and then spread it to other (non AR) arenas.
If you'd rather I didn't, then let me know.
Hi Andy, be my guest.
I can only tolerate Facebook in very small doses these days, and my use of it is highly targetted.

Archiving this Forum for two years was actually an experiment of mine to see if Facebook groups could possibly replace traditional Forums like this.
Nope.
Which is why this Forum was 'rebooted' back into action.
Sadly, we still see many people preferring FB when a Forum would be more appropriate as technical content repository.
Addiction at work!
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Re: Everyone listening no one transmitting

Post by VK7HH » Thu Apr 11, 2019 9:44 am

VK4GHZ wrote: And what's the point of coming back to see what paths WERE there whilst you were out of the shack doing other things???
Absolutely none.
Whilst this may reflect the usage of a majority of said users, I do not use it this way.
For instance I use WSPR to try to probe propagation paths in real time. I then get a notification on my phone which tells me if I have been heard, or I have heard anyone within the filters I've placed (usually on 2 metres this is more than 500km and at a higher SNR to allow voice).

A good example of this was on 5th of January this year. I was not in the shack at the time, in fact I was vacuuming the house when I received a notification with a "spot" to VK4. I had been closely monitoring 6 metres which had been open at the time too. I then quickly posted here on the Logger and called CQ on 144.1. I ended up working probably a dozen stations.

Each to his own I guess. On another note though related to the thread... recent silence has been getting deafening on the local repeaters which, at one stage not too long ago you had a job to butt in on conversations. I now call CQ on repeaters.


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Re: Everyone listening no one transmitting

Post by VK3ZAZ » Thu Apr 11, 2019 4:38 pm

VK7HH were it not for you VK3RR and 5GF 2M would be devoid of stations except in morning rush hour on 144.1

APRS is back in business with restoration of VK3RPG and heard lots of Tasmanian digis on my fill in today


6m is even worse.

2019-04-11 06:34 VK3ZAZ 144.490474 -19 0 QF12ag +37 5.012 VK3RR QF21lo 266 165
2019-04-11 06:34 VK3ZAZ 144.490472 -25 0 QF12ag +37 5.012 VK5GF PF94hk 388 241
2019-04-11 06:22 VK5GF 144.490560 -28 0 PF94hk +43 19.953 VK3ZAZ QF12ag 388 241
2019-04-11 06:18 VK7HH/P 144.490530 -17 0 QE37ld +47 50.119 VK3ZAZ QF12ag 706 439
2019-04-11 05:58 VK7HH/P 144.490531 -17 0 QE37ld +47 50.119 VK3ZAZ QF12ag 706 439
2019-04-11 05:52 VK3ZAZ 144.490472 -19 0 QF12ag +37 5.012 VK5GF PF94hk 388 241
2019-04-11 05:52 VK3ZAZ 144.490474 -10 0 QF12ag +37 5.012 VK3RR QF21lo 266 165
2019-04-11 05:44 VK5GF 144.490560 -19 0 PF94hk +43 19.953 VK3ZAZ QF12ag 388 241
2019-04-11 05:38 VK7HH/P 144.490530 -26 0 QE37ld +47 50.119 VK3ZAZ QF12ag 706 439
2019-04-11 05:34 VK3RR 144.490529 +0 0 QF21lo +43 19.953 VK3ZAZ QF12ag 266 165
2019-04-11 05:26 VK3RR 144.490528 -2 0 QF21lo +43 19.953 VK3ZAZ QF12ag 266 165
2019-04-11 05:20 VK7HH/P 144.490531 -27 0 QE37ld +47 50.119 VK3ZAZ QF12ag 706 439
2019-04-11 05:10 VK3ZAZ 144.490473 -24 0 QF12ag +37 5.012 VK3RR QF21lo 266 165
2019-04-11 05:10 VK3ZAZ 144.490472 -23 0 QF12ag +37 5.012 VK5GF PF94hk 388 241
2019-04-11 05:00 VK5GF 144.490561 -19 0 PF94hk +43 19.953 VK3ZAZ QF12ag 388 241
2019-04-11 04:40 VK7HH/P 144.490531 -19 0 QE37ld +47 50.119 VK3ZAZ QF12ag 706 439
2019-04-11 04:40 VK5GF 144.490561 -9 0 PF94hk +43 19.953 VK3ZAZ QF12ag 388 241
2019-04-11 04:28 VK3ZAZ 144.490472 -20 0 QF12ag +37 5.012 VK5GF PF94hk 388 241
2019-04-11 04:22 VK5GF 144.490561 -12 0 PF94hk +43 19.953 VK3ZAZ QF12ag 388 241
2019-04-11 04:22 VK7HH/P 144.490531 -14 0 QE37ld +47 50.119 VK3ZAZ QF12ag 706 439
2019-04-11 04:18 VK7HH/P 144.490531 -3 0 QE37ld +47 50.119 VK3ZAZ QF12ag 706 439
2019-04-11 03:48 VK3ZAZ 144.490472 -30 0 QF12ag +37 5.012 VK7HH/P QE37ld 706 439
2019-04-11 03:48 VK3ZAZ 144.490472 -24 0 QF12ag +37 5.012 VK5GF PF94hk 388 241
2019-04-11 03:40 VK7HH/P 144.490531 -8 0 QE37ld +47 50.119 VK3ZAZ QF12ag 706 439
2019-04-11 03:40 VK5GF 144.490561 -15 0 PF94hk +43 19.953 VK3ZAZ QF12ag 388 241
2019-04-11 03:22 VK7HH/P 144.490531 -7 0 QE37ld +47 50.119 VK3ZAZ QF12ag 706 439
2019-04-11 03:18 VK5GF 144.490561 -17 0 PF94hk +43 19.953 VK3ZAZ QF12ag 388 241
2019-04-11 03:10 VK3ZAZ 144.490471 -21 0 QF12ag +37 5.012 VK7HH/P QE37ld 706 439
2019-04-11 03:10 VK3ZAZ 144.490471 -14 0 QF12ag +37 5.012 VK5GF PF94hk 388 241
2019-04-11 03:00 VK7HH/P 144.490531 -2 0 QE37ld +47 50.119 VK3ZAZ QF12ag 706 439
2019-04-11 02:58 VK5GF 144.490561 -9 0 PF94hk +43 19.953 VK3ZAZ QF12ag 388 241
2019-04-11 02:38 VK5GF 144.490561 -18 0 PF94hk +43 19.953 VK3ZAZ QF12ag 388 241
2019-04-11 02:38 VK7HH/P 144.490531 -2 0 QE37ld +47 50.119 VK3ZAZ QF12ag 706 439
2019-04-11 02:30 VK3ZAZ 144.490471 -25 0 QF12ag +37 5.012 VK7HH/P QE37ld 706 439
2019-04-11 02:20 VK7HH/P 144.490531 -6 0 QE37ld +47 50.119 VK3ZAZ QF12ag 706 439
2019-04-11 02:20 VK5GF 144.490561 -14 0 PF94hk +43 19.953 VK3ZAZ QF12ag 388 241
2019-04-11 02:10 VK5GF 144.490561 -18 0 PF94hk +43 19.953 VK3ZAZ QF12ag 388 241
2019-04-11 01:54 VK5GF 144.490560 -22 0 PF94hk +43 19.953 VK3ZAZ QF12ag 388 241
2019-04-11 01:52 VK3ZAZ 144.490471 -29 0 QF12ag +37 5.012 VK5GF PF94hk 388 241
2019-04-11 01:52 VK3ZAZ 144.490471 -17 0 QF12ag +37 5.012 VK7HH/P QE37ld 706 439
2019-04-11 01:40 VK7HH/P 144.490531 +1 0 QE37ld +47 50.119 VK3ZAZ QF12ag 706 439
2019-04-11 01:36 VK5GF 144.490561 -10 0 PF94hk +43 19.953 VK3ZAZ QF12ag 388 241
2019-04-11 01:22 VK7HH/P 144.490531 +2 0 QE37ld +47 50.119 VK3ZAZ QF12ag 706 439
2019-04-11 01:14 VK3ZAZ 144.490471 -19 0 QF12ag +37 5.012 VK7HH/P QE37ld 706 439
2019-04-11 01:02 VK7HH/P 144.490531 +8 0 QE37ld +47 50.119 VK3ZAZ QF12ag 706 439
2019-04-11 00:54 VK5GF 144.490562 -10 0 PF94hk +43 19.953 VK3ZAZ QF12ag 388 241
2019-04-11 00:36 VK5GF 144.490562 -22 0 PF94hk +43 19.953 VK3ZAZ QF12ag 388 241
2019-04-11 00:32 VK3ZAZ 144.490471 -12 0 QF12ag +37 5.012 VK5GF PF94hk 388 241
2019-04-11 00:32 VK3ZAZ 144.490471 -29 0 QF12ag +37 5.012 VK7HH/P QE37ld 706 439
2019-04-11 00:20 VK7HH/P 144.490531 -7 0 QE37ld +47 50.119 VK3ZAZ QF12ag 706 439
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Re: Everyone listening no one transmitting

Post by VK6IS » Tue May 07, 2019 8:53 pm

it's great to see the Forum get Re-booted.
:popcorn:

however, it's not just Digital Modes - - those other Modes of operation, are terribly active, either.
- - it's tricky to hear anyone - when everyone is in the RX Mode.

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Re: Everyone listening no one transmitting

Post by VK3FMPC » Sat Jun 01, 2019 4:01 pm

Really is a wonder that anyone is taking up the hobby,10 w ,no digital and bottom of cycle.....only thing that keeps me going is I used land mobile for years so I know what can be done with 100 w

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